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Welcome to BuildingWell, sustainable homes, equitable communities, your new podcast from New Ecology. Join us as we explore real life stories from key players in green building and community development.
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We’ll examine exciting new innovations, highlighting practical solutions for creating more affordable, healthier, more resilient equitable communities or building well together.
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This episode was made possible by the Mass Save Community Education Grant.
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This is Alina just popping in to give you some information about some acronyms used in this episode.
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HUD Is the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
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DOER is the Massachusetts Department of Energy Resources.
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And BERDO is the Buildings Emission Reduction and Disclosure Ordinance.
00:01:15 Michelle Moran
Hello and welcome to the BuildingWell podcast. I’m Michelle Moran, marketing manager here at New Ecology, and I’m here today with my co-host, Alina Michelewicz, principal director of finance.
00:01:25 Alina Michelewicz
Hello.
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We have a very special guest who will be chatting with today. James Collins, director of the Climate Equity and Impact Department at Action for Boston Community Development.
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Inc or ABCD, ABCD and New Ecology have worked together for many years, and we’re so excited to have James here with us today. So without further ado, let’s get started.
00:01:46 Michelle Moran
Hi, James. Welcome. Thanks for joining us. Could you just please introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about what you do and a little bit of information on ABCD?
00:01:56 James Collins
Hi, Michelle and Alina. Thank you for having me really excited to be here today. My name is James Collins. I’m the director of the climate equity and Impact Department at ABCD. ABCD is a large social service anti-poverty nonprofit. We have a myriad of services that we provide low-income residents in the city of Boston, Greater Boston, Mystic Valley.
00:02:16 James Collins
And included in those services.
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Is our energy programs, formerly known as our energy programs, now known as our programs in our climate equity and impact department, ranging from energy efficiency decarbonization. I’ve been at ABCD Since 2010, working in the energy program, starting out as a program assistant.
00:02:37 James Collins
Moving into the multifamily program, which started right around 2010, I moved into that program around 2012.
00:02:45 James Collins
And then started to oversee all of our statewide programs as lead vendor for Eversource and the income eligible sector of Mass Save in around 2018. And our programs span across the Eversource territory and across Massachusetts. We also deliver some work on behalf of National Grid. We’re lucky to have a team.
00:03:06 James Collins
A great team of 60 in our department that are doing all the things to help us achieve all of our goals and serve as many low-income customers as possible.
00:03:14 Michelle Moran
Awesome.
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Thank you. So ABCD and New Ecology have a long history of working together. We’ve worked together for years and our organizations missions intersect. Could you tell us a little bit of the history of how our two organizations work together and how your multifamily programs came to be?
00:03:30 James Collins
Yes. So we have had a partnership with New Ecology for a long time, as far back as I can remember. And I guess my time here it goes back to at least 2010, 2010 was when the LEAN multifamily program was created and New Ecology was actually one of the founding members of the low income.
00:03:50 James Collins
Multifamily Advisory Committee that developed and.
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Designed the LEAN multifamily program as it is today and it was the first of its kind in the nation program, providing 100% incentive, no cost upgrades to buildings in investor-owned utilities in Massachusetts and so New Ecology and ABCD were partners early on in that endeavor.
00:04:13 James Collins
And in that endeavor also was included. Wegowise, which was a company born out of New Ecology that helped us identify.
00:04:23 James Collins
Track energy use to enable us to prioritize properties that were using the highest amount of energy, therefore enabling us to achieve the most savings that we could and also shortly after the program launched, New Ecology became a technical partner of ours, delivering assessments, scope development.
00:04:43 James Collins
And design and project management in the field in our multifamily program and that’s been going on well over a decade. New Ecology’s a great partner and and ensuring that we are getting the best, most up-to-date technology in multifamily housing and keeping our projects on track.
00:05:00 Alina Michelewicz
What kind of property owners would take part in the LEAN multifamily program?
00:05:05 James Collins
So the LEAN multifamily program serves.
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Owners, all owners of affordable housing, and we look at three different types of ownership. We have public housing, state and federally funded. We have nonprofit owners of affordable housing, and we have for profit owners of affordable housing.
00:05:24 Alina Michelewicz
Awesome. What kind of communities does the program serve?
00:05:25 Michelle Moran
Excellent.
00:05:29 James Collins
So the types of communities we serve, we serve all of the territories with investor owned utilities, National Grid, Eversource, Liberty, Berkshire Gas, the Cape Light Compact and Unitil. And that is for the entire program. Statewide, ABCD does not manage all of those territories, but that’s what the the multifamily.
00:05:49 James Collins
Program covers. We do focus on environmental justice communities. Just over half of our projects are are being conducted in those communities and we continue to drive towards an increase in service delivery in those territories.
00:06:06 Michelle Moran
When would a property owner need or use the multifamily program, the LEAN multifamily program?
00:06:12 James Collins
So a property owner would need to use the multifamily program if they’ve identified even just the desire to make any energy efficiency improvements to their building. So we can start with an owner.
00:06:25 James Collins
That knows nothing about energy efficiency or decarbonization, and we can take them on the customer journey, which we’re really proud of in our program, which is full front to back end project management and so.
00:06:38 James Collins
What we do is we take a property from intake and eligibility through building assessment, scope, design, development, contracting, oversight of that installation and quality control, and we pay those contractors. So we really are able to take these complex technological projects on behalf of the owner and deliver them in the field.
00:06:58 James Collins
We also work with owners who have technical aptitude that we coordinate with as well, so those who have specific projects that they’re looking for incentives on, we can coordinate there as well. Also in Boston in particular. And there’s the BERDO requirement and so.
00:07:16 James Collins
Often in our coordination with the City, in collaboration with them in referrals, they’ll often refer folks to us who meet the criteria to make improvements to their building under those BERDO regulations. And so we are one of the solutions. One of the pieces of the solution to help folks comply with that sort of regulation, I know.
00:07:37 James Collins
Cambridge has a similar regulation. We continue to see that in municipality. So applicants can come to this program from any perspective. What we aim to do is take.
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Any applicant, regardless of their knowledge of, of what they want to do, what they think they need to do, or even if they don’t have any idea what they want to do and really guide them through that process and provide those full front to back end services.
00:08:02 Michelle Moran
Excellent, great. Thank you. And I know you gave us a little overview of the LEAN multifamily program. Could you also introduce the deep energy retrofit or DER program through LEAN?
00:08:13 James Collins
Yes. So the DER program was initiated in early 2023 and it was created because we identified a gap in our ability to provide incentives to projects that were happening out in the field that we weren’t a part of that didn’t meet our standard program pathway.
00:08:33 James Collins
And so through stakeholder engagement and feedback from multifamily owners.
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We worked with the utilities to develop a program where we can look at projects that were owner procured, and owner managed and provide incentives. So, we determined that if a project meets 40% site energy reduction, it could become eligible for incentives to the deep energy retrofit program and typically the measures that are being installed.
00:09:00 James Collins
In these properties are sort of above and beyond and and garner greater savings than our standard pathway measures. As an example, we’d put a certain level of insulation in walls and in the attic and.
00:09:12 James Collins
And many of these, or a few of these projects that we’re seeing in deep energy retrofit, those include properties that are expanding and creating bigger envelope upgrades like exterior wall assemblies to achieve those higher savings. And so we identify those savings, we are able to apply a value.
00:09:32 James Collins
To then determine an incentive level that we can commit to and provide the owner to help them marry their funding sources for these big expensive projects and include ours as part of that financing package.
00:09:45 James Collins
We provide, then a cash incentive at the end of a project based on what we had determined upon approval. So now we’re part of those projects and helping those projects to come to completion.
00:09:59 Michelle Moran
Wow, so 40% site energy reduction, that’s a lot. So does an owner typically decide that they’re going to do such a renovation?
00:09:59 Alina Michelewicz
That’s awesome.
00:10:07 Michelle Moran
Where they might save 40% of their energy and then come to you. Or do they? Which which which way does it go? Which is the chicken which is the egg?
00:10:14 James Collins
That’s a good question. It’s a mix of both. Uh, because we have this long-standing history of delivering the work that we do, many owners come to us looking to understand what the different options are. There are other owners who have, they’re fortunate enough to either have a consultant like a New Ecology or people on staff who are able to.
00:10:36 James Collins
Sort of piece together technically, and a finance package that they can present to us, we do require that they come to us with a project that meets certain criteria, which includes being at a certain stage of.
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Development, including having an analysis done that demonstrates the 40% that we have to verify and so customers may come to us initially, we go back to them and say, yes, you can do this, but this is how far you need to be before we can engage in that project. We have identified though there is a gap particularly from an equity lens of the ability to.
00:11:10 James Collins
Put these scopes of work together because it’s somewhat cost prohibitive for some owners of affordable housing because they have to make those investments. We are always trying to work to streamline what the process can look like for folks, but right now we do require that these projects come to us.
00:11:27 James Collins
At a certain stage of development and a commitment from those owners to follow through on those scopes of work, because we are committing a substantial amount of money, maybe not necessarily in the grand scheme of their work, but from the program, and so we have to make sure that those scopes are sort of ironclad so that they can then be installed, we can rely on those projected. Savings for the outcomes that we’re looking for.
00:11:50 Alina Michelewicz
I have a follow up question you mentioned there’s an equity component to that. Could you expand on that a little bit? Like what is it about it?
00:11:56 James Collins
Sure. Right now what we see.
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Is that it’s really those owners of affordable housing who have capital to invest in.
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Studies and reports that can then give us the information we need, that can give contractors that they may hire the information they need on the scopes of work that they’re developing. And so there’s an upfront cost in in doing those things. The state has tried to step in by helping to build and provide funding for.
00:12:26 James Collins
Some projects to be able to get to that stage DOER has a decarbonization program that they’re deploying.
00:12:32 James Collins
Now, right now, the cost of those sort of front end components is not covered by the program. We do offer funding for a technical study that still needs to be done after a scope has been created. So those owners of of naturally occurring affordable housing or maybe nonprofit owners who don’t have a staff or an energy.
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Engineer on staff may not be pursuing.
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The deep energy retrofit pathway. Yet because of those upfront costs, again the PAs, the program administrators continue to look at ways to support the program. It’s it’s really only a year, 18 months old. And so we’ve been developing it after we launched it, so continually trying to improve.
00:13:17 James Collins
Part of it also is ensuring that those owners know that there’s a pathway and the other component to this, which is interesting and and why we continue to evolve as the three-year plan is being developed or being finalized for this next upcoming three-year plan. There’s a component of decarbonization.
00:13:35 James Collins
Which isn’t explicitly named in the DER pathway, but just about every project that we see incorporates customers moving from gas to some sort of heat pump. And so as we look at this next three-year plan, we have incorporated gas to heat pump retrofits. In the plan.
00:13:56 James Collins
Which may not require an owner of naturally occurring affordable housing to go in the deep energy retrofit pathway because we may be able to achieve similar savings through our standard pathway as that continues to expand. So it’s kind of an evolving situation and I think fortunately we’re able to cover a good chunk of of those.
00:14:18 James Collins
Customers that aren’t able to garner that capital to invest in those studies upfront. But that’s a gap that we’ve identified that we’re. Trying to close.
00:14:28 Alina Michelewicz
That’s great, awesome.
00:14:30 Molly Craft
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00:16:14 Michelle Moran
What does a typical multifamily project look like from end to end through the LEAN program?
00:16:19 James Collins
So I’ll start with how a project comes through eligibility. We have our LEAN Multifamily website which is pretty user friendly and we have a team of two dedicated just to processing our.
00:16:33 James Collins
Our applications and so at ABCD on behalf of all the PAs, all the utilities, we are the central intake and referral mechanism and so a customer comes to us, submits their documentation for eligibility, which includes both some building information as well as utility information as much as they have.
00:16:54 James Collins
Account information and usage if they have that as well as the eligibility criteria and so once a customer is deemed eligible.
00:17:01 James Collins
They go to what I’ll call the implementing agency, so ABCD as I mentioned is the lead vendor for Eversource. We are also a vendor for National Grid in certain territories throughout the state, Boston, Greater Boston area. We have a sister agency action incorporated, who’s the lead editor for National Grid and a couple of other smaller agencies across the state who are the lead.
00:17:21 James Collins
Vendor for the other PAs and so if it’s a project that’s run by ABCD, we will get those projects referred directly to our team. If it is a project that’s overseen by another agency, ABCD refers that customer to that agency and the agency then moves forward on the next steps.
00:17:39 James Collins
Those next steps are really dependent on if we’ve engaged with the customer before, but I’ll play this out as a new customer. We communicate with the customer, set up a site visit, conduct our site assessment to establish existing conditions and then we will look at our package of standard measures including.
00:17:59 James Collins
Building envelope, HVAC, lighting and we have some other opportunities in units that we look at like refrigerators and appliances to determine if we can swap those out. We then develop that scope of work that fits within our program, technical specs.
00:18:14 James Collins
And this is happening in the background. We also run a cost effectiveness analysis, which is required for our program to ensure that what we are providing for upgrades fits within our sort of rubric and generally our our suite of measures will fall into a cost effectiveness will will be cost effective what we sometimes.
00:18:34 James Collins
Do see is if there’s a building with that’s already very efficient, there may not be as many opportunities for us to to participate or to provide services. So once we have that scope of work identified, we then present that to the owner for their approval. Once an owner approves of the.
00:18:49 James Collins
Scope, we are either already engaged with the contractor or will assign a project to a contractor to to deliver those scopes of work. Sometimes it’s multiple contractors. If there are multiple trades. Oftentimes it’s one contractor that covers many of those trades. There may be additional site visits if the project is big enough that triggers our bid requirements. So.
00:19:10 James Collins
There may be those additional bid walkthroughs to refine design of systems or if a second site visit is needed to verify an existing condition that maybe wasn’t addressed in the initial assessment, that may happen.
00:19:24 James Collins
And so those vendors are then deployed to deliver the install the measures in the field and then we provide depending on the scope of work and the need in process inspections and then final inspections on the on that work to close those projects out. And then ideally those customers are just starting to see a decrease in energy use and some dollar savings after that.
00:19:47 Alina Michelewicz
How long does that process normally take? It sounds like a lot of steps, but I’m sure it’s.
00:19:51 James Collins
Well, so the timeline for customers to receive services varies. So ideally we’re moving through the application, you know within 6 to 8 weeks. It depends on how complete the application is, what the eligibility criteria or documentation we’re using is, how accessible that information is.
00:20:10 James Collins
So that has a timeline attached to it. There is a timeline for scheduling the assessment, so that also depending on the size of the property, the availability of the owner, the needs of the owner to be on site if they want to, or just to grant us access, that coordination can sometimes take some time.
00:20:30 James Collins
I’ll assign maybe 6 to 8 weeks to that is a long time for that to happen. And then when we come into scope development, you know, these are construction projects, right? And some of them are large, so.
00:20:40 James Collins
We, depending on what permitting looks like and how fast we’re able to do an analysis. If the scope gets changed because of, you know we missed something or something was added. You know there’s a period there which could also take a number of weeks and then the actual installs, some of those take a few days. If we’re swapping out windows, those can take maybe a number of weeks so.
00:21:01 James Collins
It depends on how invasive the work is. If it’s standard work, that again can happen in a couple of days, what we do see though, is if we look at a project cycle, it can be six months. You know from really application to completion. And we also have to be mindful of.
00:21:17 James Collins
The seasons, so when we are in the winter months, it can be more challenging to retrofit HVAC. There’s requirements on maintaining adequate heat. And so we have to make those considerations on the timetables as well.
00:21:31 Alina Michelewicz
You know, six months is well worth it for the savings that they’ll see and.
00:21:36 James Collins
Yeah, I think the timeline.
00:21:39 James Collins
Once it’s it’s people understand that these are construction projects, but also what the benefit is in on average we’re saving people 20 to 25% on their bills and if we’re able to do.
00:21:51 Michelle Moran
Significant
00:22:52 James Collins
Yeah. And if we’re able to do the appliance swap outs to you know, those have an immediate impact on on just how people are engaging a new refrigerator.
00:22:00 James Collins
Makes a big difference, particularly for our low-income families who can’t afford to lose food in from the refrigerator, and so another tangent benefit.
00:22:10 Alina Michelewicz
That’s great, thank you.
00:22:10 Michelle Moran
Great. Thank you. So let’s get to the elephant in the room. Is this really free and if it is free, how is it free?
00:22:21 James Collins
Yes, it is free. I’ve spent the last decade of my life convincing people to accept free things.
00:22:29 James Collins
And vendors like New Ecology, who’s out there every day working with us.
00:22:34 James Collins
To make sure low-income residents across the state are receiving the benefit that they are paying into and I want to emphasize that every owner and every renter that is receiving this service has already paid into Mass Save and we are just bringing them the benefit that they’ve invested in.
00:22:52 Michelle Moran
That’s great. Excellent.
00:22:54 Michelle Moran
So. How does a resident experience the work that you do? You mentioned you know some non-energy benefits, but are there others?
00:23:02 James Collins
So there are, I mean we are particularly in the multifamily program, that’s a question we often get asked because unlike in the one to four family program where an owner has little incentive to.
00:23:23 James Collins
Make upgrades to their building because it would be the renter that would get the benefits and the savings.
00:23:29 James Collins
In our multifamily program, it’s almost switched where renters may not see the full benefits of the program, and owners may see greater benefit and it’s not always the case. So I mentioned refrigerators. There are instances, of course, where renters pay their own utility bills, where they’re going to see a reduction in their, in their cost. Particularly we have this.
00:23:50 James Collins
Portion of the program called the AMP Program Appliance Management Program, where we go into every unit and assess all of their appliances. The refrigerator, they have a dehumidifier if they have an air conditioner. They have a certain type of washing machine. We look at those and the established thresholds and if they meet the the threshold for replacement, we’ll fully replaced at no cost.
00:24:10 James Collins
All of those items, which has an immediate impact on their electric bill, we also educate customers on how they use their electricity in those AMP assessments. And so we’re able to provide that benefit to those customers additionally and we saw this in a project in Hyde Park, Riley House, it was a project where we installed many measures, new HVAC, we did lighting.
00:24:33 James Collins
And a few other things there and what we realized and what we’ve identified as a major benefit to this work is that when we do these upgrades at no cost and then have the subsequent savings and even if those savings are going to an owner who is paying those bills, that goes right to that owner’s bottom line. And so they’re able to address.
00:24:54 James Collins
Other things at the property, maybe capital improvements or deferred maintenance that they haven’t been able to.
00:24:59 James Collins
Address by realizing those energy savings that they then address, and that Riley house in particular. It’s an elderly housing property and with the savings that they achieved, they were able to renovate the the common room in the building. And it was really the first time where residents were able to convene inside in one area and really enjoy.
00:25:19 James Collins
Enjoy their neighbors. So we see those benefits. And of course, as we look at it in the greater context, our low-income customers now.
00:25:27 James Collins
Are in a way that they couldn’t before participating in solutions for the climate crisis that we’re in, so we’re able to include them in the the fight against climate change and hopefully empower them to continue to think about that.
00:25:43 Michelle Moran
On that line, are there any initiatives where people who aren’t necessarily property owners might be interested in using for, for example, renters or other non-property owners?
00:25:53 James Collins
So as I mentioned in terms of eligibility, sometimes you use the utility discount rate as a mechanism to qualify a building for these retrofits. It’s often the case that we run into customers who could be on the discount rate who are not enrolled. And so as part of our outreach and intake.
00:26:15 James Collins
We have facilitated customers enrolling on the discount rate. We have a direct line to the utilities and help those customers get to the utilities to to enroll. If you’re on a categorical benefit, we can share that.
00:26:28 James Collins
List you are able to automatically enroll in the discount rate and it’s not always the case that someone has a utility account. Sometimes it’s in the owner’s name. Oftentimes it is in the resident’s name, particularly their electric account, and those discounts can be pretty steep. They range between 30 and 40% discount on their on their energy bill, and so we encourage.
00:26:49 James Collins
Folks, to do that, it’s part of the education that we provide. If they do pay their own bill. In fact, National Grid just introduced a tiered discount rate, which provides discounts up to 70 percent for the lowest income earners.
00:27:04 Alina Michelewicz
Wow. That’s a lot. That’s awesome.
00:27:07 James Collins
Yeah, it’s fantastic. It’s gonna take a little bit of time to roll out, but that’s happened. They introduced a heat pump rate. So they’re gonna have a heat pump rate as well as I believe, Unitil. So there are other benefits to engaging with our program. And one other benefit that doesn’t fit everyone but can is that ABCD.
00:27:26 James Collins
And CAP Agencies like us throughout the state administer the fuel assistance program and fuel assistance is a direct benefit program that has a little bit different income criteria. It’s similar, but it requires a separate application, but that can.
00:27:40 James Collins
And really help with customers, particularly on the heating season, cover some of the cost of their heat and benefits range every year, but those are conducted as a direct payment to utilities or even oil and deliverable fuels depending on what type of fuel source you have. So there are definitely additional benefits that come beyond just the building.
00:28:01 James Collins
Upgrades that we do where we can at least introduce or facilitate customers to receive those benefits.
00:28:06 Michelle Moran
That’s awesome. Every bit helps, James, as we’re wrapping up here, do you have any closing thoughts that you’d like to part with?
00:28:15 James Collins
Thank you again for having me. This is really, really exciting and looking forward to doing this. I just want to make sure people know, you know, the question was asked, you know, is this real? Is this really free visit www.LEANmultifamily.org.
00:28:30 James Collins
Put in an application if you think you qualify. We really want to make sure that we are reaching as many low-income customers as we can all throughout the state and no matter where you.
00:28:40 James Collins
Are, you can always reach out to us, and if we aren’t the right program for you, we can at least point you in the right direction. We are looking to achieve all of these big goals of energy reduction in greenhouse gas reduction. We’re a piece of that. We want to empower folks to become a piece of that as well and we’re here to provide those services.
00:29:00 James Collins
So don’t hesitate to reach out.
00:29:02 Alina Michelewicz
Thank you so much.
00:29:02 Michelle Moran
Great. Definitely thank you. LEAN multifamily.org, folks.
00:29:07 Michelle Moran
All right. So thank you so much, James, for joining us today. We learned a lot and it was really interesting and hopefully all of our listeners will go ahead and check out LEAN and ABCD and the work that you do. Thanks for joining us.
00:29:20 James Collins
Thank you both.
00:29:22 Michelle Moran
A huge thank you to today’s guest, James Collins from ABCD, and also a special thank you to Elisabeth Krautscheid and Aiko Miller from ABCD for helping us to plan and research this episode. We couldn’t have done it without you! to learn more about what we talked about in today’s episode.
00:29:29 Michelle Moran
You can find the show notes and transcript at newecology.org/buildingwell-podcast to learn more about ABCD visit bostonabcd.org. You can also find them on LinkedIn or Facebook at Action for Boston Community Development Inc, Instagram at ABCD Boston and Twitter at Boston ABCD.
00:29:50 Michelle Moran
For more information and to apply for the LEAN multifamily program and deep energy retrofits programs, visit LEANmultifamily.org. You can find New Ecology on Instagram, LinkedIn, YouTube, and Twitter at New Ecology Inc.
00:30:05 Molly Craft
This episode was made possible by the Mass Save Community Education Grant.
00:30:10 Michelle Moran
The season 1 BuildingWell, podcast committee at New Ecology is lead and organized by Alina Michelewicz and Michelle Moran, with Molly Craft and Michael Abdelmessih.
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